Meanwhile, Dan Rather and Newsweek are everywhere you turn.

Foxnews hasn’t killed anyone or tried to swing a national election with fraud. HUGE difference from sharing an opinion.

Right – what did they end up finding?

Everyone but him went to jail. McDougals and others, the one guy died in prison but Clinton’s political ties kept him above the law. We’re seeing it again with Hillary’s fund raising scandal.

President Bush has done things during his time in office that Bill Clinton would have been cooked on a spit for.

It all goes back to reputaion. Bush wasn’t a conartist before he went into the white house. It’s like saying when I have a kid on my lap it’s ok but when a child molestor does it everyone flips out. Clintons history is well know, you can’t just ignore it.

He cheated on his wife. I don’t approve of it, but it happens all the time in this country.

Does it happen all the time to people who have nuclear launch codes or to people who, if blackmailed, could cause considerable harm to the country. Hell, there are thousands of pedophiles roaming the country on a daily basis, why pick on the Catholic church.

The presidency is a very important job, the president is not an ordinary guy you can run up to in a crowd and high five, you will be shot. If I were to cheat on my wife I’m sure the soviet parliment wouldn’t try to draft a bill asking my lover to satisfy my urges so I won’t go to war. I’m just some guy with no imfluence on the country or world events.

When did Bush Senior cheat on Barbara? This is the first time I’ve ever heard of this. No the NYT again.

I speciffically wanted to address this because it’s important to me because of the military involvement of my family and it’s a very important piece of the puzzule as to why conservatives and centrists alike freaked out.

Bill Clinton killed any credibility with any of the people who do not share his exact views, if your not on the inside then your outside. Liberals were pissed and Republicans and moderates were bewildered.

Now, you have a guy in the White House, lying under oath, abusing his powers as preseident to cover up the scandal, who has had run ins with Whitewater and Savings and Loan and you wonder to yourself how did this guy get into office.

It’s all over the papers and tv then suddenly an embassy gets bombed and like a winner of the California lotto Clinton springs forth, thanks God for the luck and prepares for war. So now everyone, includin some of his own people might be thinking, what are his true motivations?

We’ll never 100% know about that because what everyone in America does know is Slick Willie is a professional con, a liar, he doesn’t know what the definition of the word “is” is. It’s not a stretch at all to conclude this is the kind of guy who would sacrafice soldiers to keep the heat off.

We know he fled to England or Canada or whatever to avoid th draft and he protected against the vietnam war so his love of the military sure isn’t wll known. Had the monica thing never had happened there would not be a Hurricane of suspicion surrounding his every move.

This is why it wasn’t “just sex” as some liberals knee jerk in response. Clinton hobbled the effectiveness of the Commander & Chief by demonstrating he is unreliable, unethical, desperate, coniving, unrepentant, undisciplined, unscrupulous, apathetic to the to stature of the office of the president and untrustworthy.

Clinton made America question his leadership and his fitness for the presidency, it’s amazing he wasn’t impeached but the liberal spin deflected a lot of the charges.

There is no one else to blame other than Bill Clinton himself because he created the environment in which all this stuff happened!!!!

DI: You’re not serious about this Right…are you? Your point of view is that nothing of what you hear or read on Iraq is worth consideration at all? Why? How can a factual news release detailing an attack that took place be of no value to someone like you or I?

RT: I’ll tell ya, when you hear from many sources first hand about what is going on over there (family and friends in the military) and then you see what the media let’s filter through you kinda get numb to what media is trying to sell.

Why listen to half a story? All you’ll end up knowing is half a story and I would rather hear nothing at all than to know only half of the facts. I don’t wan to be imersed in a one sided view of things.

When you’re in the military it’s essential to keep a frame of mind that you’re over there for a good reason and you’re winning. It’s an extremely personal thing and to be negative could mean the difference between life and death. I’m not a soldier anymore, and I don’t have to maintain a positive frame of mind about such things, but have the luxury of looking at it realistically. Cutting yourself off from the media outlets you don’t like is understandable, but if I were to post a link to NYTimes.com here – to disregard the information contained within automatically is…an intellectual crime. You’re depriving yourself from information that’s entirely pertinent.

Just as I’d read an article from FoxNews and take it for what it’s worth…the quotes, the first hand accounts…it’s all worth our time. Vetting what’s pertinent and what’s meant to install a point of view in our heads is part of it all. I rarely read an article and walk away with my point of view changed. That requires some thought and pondering…some pounding of the keys.

DI: I found myself on 24 hour guard duty Christmas Day thanks to that…but the attack plans of Clinton were countered at every step with, ‘No War For Monica’. We were attacked, but any response according to the media would have been about Lewinski.

RT: One one side you have said that Nixon was way worse than Clinton and that Clinton only had an affair. Well, it sounds like your mad at the people who investigated Clinton for the ethics violations and illegal activity. No war for monica wouldn’t have happened if there was no monica.

Clinton is responsible for his actions and everything that occurs because of those actions. I put the blame solely on Clinton that you had to stand around for 24 hours on Christmas because he couldn’t keep the salami in the package.

The embassy bombings had nothing to do with Monica. I was pissed as a soldier knowing that none of the stuff I was doing, none of what we were all going through mattered in the least. We weren’t some top-secret group of military elites, we weren’t but a brigade of combat arms units and an engineer batallion…and the embassies weren’t the world trade center…just a couple of embassies in a foreign land. What that taught me was this:

America doesn’t care about who dies where. It’s not about that…my base could have been blown up and the next day Republicans would have still been saying ‘No War For Monica’ while my charred remains were being sorted through for treasure. It doesn’t matter to this country that these things happen – and it doesn’t matter to these politicians either.

I was proud of the Democrats for not playing politics following 9/11, and it made me wonder why the same thing couldn’t have happened following the embassy bombings? Why was it that those deaths were worth less than those on 9/11? The same man was responsible, but when the embassy bombings took place, there was a Democrat in the White House…that’s the difference.

We see the same thing now. The ancors on FoxNews can say anything they want and the furthest it will go is MediaMatters.org. Meanwhile, Dan Rather and Newsweek are everywhere you turn. And Republicans will be saying it for years and years and years to come. Every time ‘media’ enters the discussion, Rather and Newsweek will be set off with a hair trigger. It’s some bitter hypocracy for me. It makes me feel like I did in Germany, like I was merely involved in a big game rather than part of a country that was truly ‘one nation, under God, indivisible’.

RT: After Whitewater, Savings and Loan and the other stuff he and hilary were involved in I wanted the investigators to do their jobs. With all he was involved in we had a right to find out what other skeletons were in the closet.

Right – what did they end up finding? It was a non-stop witch hunt, and the only reason it was allowed to happen was because of who was behind it. President Bush has done things during his time in office that Bill Clinton would have been cooked on a spit for. It’s unfolding right now, but him, Cheney and Rice absolutely worked off of a script and they trumped up the threat, essentially lied to us to get approval for their plans. There is a lot of money missing from Iraq…that’s in another thread though – I’ll pick this up over there.

I’m OK with finding out what happened, but it was overdone, and the media just followed along without a beat. The investigations made guys like Matt Drudge…who would otherwise be managing a WalMart right now most likely…a lot of money was wasted when it was all said and done. At the expense of a lot of people who needed the government to do it’s job at that time.

DI: Republicans stretched it out as far as it would go, with the media following suit – yet when it’s time to categorize which way the media is slanted, the only word you hear is ‘liberal’.

RT: Because he was soo guilty, Slick Willy was diggin his own hole. A midget could highjump the ethical standards Clinton had set for himself. A fall from grace, if you will, by ones own demons is a lesson for us all.

He cheated on his wife. I don’t approve of it, but it happens all the time in this country. Bush Sr. cheated on Barbara.

I honestly think that in hindsight, this is about the only shred of anything a Republican can hang onto when it comes to Clinton. The rest is speculation. The Republican Congress he had to work with was ultra-obstructionist.

The right-leaning media outlets are pushing the obstructionist angle hard when it comes to social security. They’re doing it because at this point, there’s no comparison between the Democrats and what Reuplicans did during the 90s obstructing Clinton.

When you think about it. Clinton had to work with that Congress and still was able to balance the budget – whereas Bush has a Congress full of people from his party, and the defecits are still rising. One had the ability to lead and manage people, and the other is basically a walking rubber stamp.

Really? Are you saying people are flocking to other news outlets or are all news outlets losing viewers. Well, I have to confess, I like the fair and balanced approach. I like getting several sides to an issue or just plain reading emotionally-free news. I don’t need someone else telling me what to think about something, I hate thos sneaky, snide comments and secret sources, ala NYT.

What are you saying here about a video service? I’m looking it up, but what’s the deal w/ O’Rieley?

At the botton of the page with Asman observer, Gibson, et. al., it used to be you would click and read their opnions but now it’s video clips and you have to be a paid subscriber.

By Right Thinker May 19th, 2005 at 9:16 pm e

FoxNews’s ratings have fallen like a rock since the election. People have gotten awfully sick of the hypocracy of ‘fair and balanced’.

What are you saying here about a video service? I’m looking it up, but what’s the deal w/ O’Rieley?

I’ll tell ya, when you hear from many sources first hand about what is going on over there (family and friends in the military) and then you see what the media let’s filter through you kinda get numb to what media is trying to sell.

Why listen to half a story? All you’ll end up knowing is half a story and I would rather hear nothing at all than to know only half of the facts. I don’t wan to be imersed in a one sided view of things.

I found myself on 24 hour guard duty Christmas Day thanks to that…but the attack plans of Clinton were countered at every step with, ‘No War For Monica’. We were attacked, but any response according to the media would have been about Lewinski.

One one side you have said that Nixon was way worse than Clinton and that Clinton only had an affair. Well, it sounds like your mad at the people who investigated Clinton for the ethics violations and illegal activity. No war for monica wouldn’t have happened if there was no monica.

Clinton is responsible for his actions and everything that occurs because of those actions. I put the blame solely on Clinton that you had to stand around for 24 hours on Christmas because he couldn’t keep the salami in the package.

After Whitewater, Savings and Loan and the other stuff he and hilary were involved in I wanted the investigators to do their jobs. With all he was involved in we had a right to find out what other skeletons were in the closet.

Republicans stretched it out as far as it would go, with the media following suit – yet when it’s time to categorize which way the media is slanted, the only word you hear is ‘liberal’.

Because he was soo guilty, Slick Willy was diggin his own hole. A midget could highjump the ethical standards Clinton had set for himself. A fall from grace, if you will, by ones own demons is a lesson for us all.

Runaway Bride, Michael Jackson, etc. are over reported to distract us all from Iraq.

I couldn’t disagree more. Michael Jackson is on trail for serial molestation in addition to other charges and he is a huge celebrity. America loves celebrity which explains why the tabloids such as National Enquirer, The Sun and The New York Times (wink to Chris)
do so well.

It’s just not that important. I don’t think he’s getting as much coverage as Scott Peterson did. None of these cases matter on a national level besides the tendency of people to look at a car wreck as they pass by. It’s of little consequence in reality to anyone but the parties involved.

People know the liberal media is out to get Bush and won’t print anything good about Iraq and so they would prefer to hear about the runaway bride because maybe some truth will be reported about that.

This is a myth. It’s a nice way to justify ignoring certain things when it’s convenient. I remembered today the politics following the bombings of our embasies in Africa…I found myself on 24 hour guard duty Christmas Day thanks to that…but the attack plans of Clinton were countered at every step with, ‘No War For Monica’. We were attacked, but any response according to the media would have been about Lewinski.

Was that the ‘liberal media’ as well? The last years of Clinton’s presidency was a focused attack that centered around the same thing from start to finish. Republicans stretched it out as far as it would go, with the media following suit – yet when it’s time to categorize which way the media is slanted, the only word you hear is ‘liberal’.

I think it’s more about ‘if you say something long enough, people think it’s true’ than it is a true assessment of the media in the role it plays in American politics today.

Or maybe they found she voted for Bush and are trying to ruin her life. Either way, Iraq is not the only thing that is happening in the world and I know I don’t want to hear a bunch or liberal propaganda so I’ll go where the real news is.

You’re not serious about this Right…are you? Your point of view is that nothing of what you hear or read on Iraq is worth consideration at all? Why? How can a factual news release detailing an attack that took place be of no value to someone like you or I?

I don’t understand how it’s irrelevant or wrong in any way.

I couldn’t disagree more. Michael Jackson is on trail for serial molestation in addition to other charges and he is a huge celebrity. America loves celebrity which explains why the tabloids such as National Enquirer, The Sun and The New York Times (wink to Chris)
do so well.

People know the liberal media is out to get Bush and won’t print anything good about Iraq and so they would prefer to hear about the runaway bride because maybe some truth will be reported about that.

Or maybe they found she voted for Bush and are trying to ruin her life. Either way, Iraq is not the only thing that is happening in the world and I know I don’t want to hear a bunch or liberal propaganda so I’ll go where the real news is.