Comments on: The Political Cost of Republican Nativism http://www.deadissue.com/archives/2007/07/03/the-political-cost-of-republican-nativism/ At home drawing pictures of mountaintops Tue, 17 Jan 2012 13:19:44 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: napoleon15 http://www.deadissue.com/archives/2007/07/03/the-political-cost-of-republican-nativism/comment-page-1/#comment-21855 napoleon15 Sat, 07 Jul 2007 02:46:24 +0000 http://deadissue.com/archives/2007/07/03/the-political-cost-of-republican-nativism/#comment-21855 That may or not be the best solution, but first we have to close the borders. Then we can talk about what to do with the immigrants who are already here. That may or not be the best solution, but first we have to close the borders. Then we can talk about what to do with the immigrants who are already here.

]]> By: Al Swearengen http://www.deadissue.com/archives/2007/07/03/the-political-cost-of-republican-nativism/comment-page-1/#comment-21854 Al Swearengen Sat, 07 Jul 2007 02:04:02 +0000 http://deadissue.com/archives/2007/07/03/the-political-cost-of-republican-nativism/#comment-21854 I think that if they were all citizens, the problem would sort itself out. They'd have the right to organize, stand up to exploitative employers, and have their tax dollars work for them. Plus, they'd constitute added blocs of voters, which means the politicians have more work to do than they did before. I think that if they were all citizens, the problem would sort itself out. They’d have the right to organize, stand up to exploitative employers, and have their tax dollars work for them. Plus, they’d constitute added blocs of voters, which means the politicians have more work to do than they did before.

]]> By: napoleon15 http://www.deadissue.com/archives/2007/07/03/the-political-cost-of-republican-nativism/comment-page-1/#comment-21853 napoleon15 Sat, 07 Jul 2007 00:42:08 +0000 http://deadissue.com/archives/2007/07/03/the-political-cost-of-republican-nativism/#comment-21853 I believe that America always comes first, and ideology second. Since illegal immigration harms America, I don't care that it benefits business. I believe that America always comes first, and ideology second. Since illegal immigration harms America, I don’t care that it benefits business.

]]> By: Karl http://www.deadissue.com/archives/2007/07/03/the-political-cost-of-republican-nativism/comment-page-1/#comment-21851 Karl Fri, 06 Jul 2007 17:11:38 +0000 http://deadissue.com/archives/2007/07/03/the-political-cost-of-republican-nativism/#comment-21851 Isn't good to have a cheap workforce' as we all know the money that businesses save, trickle down to the rest of us. Isn't that the whole reason for keeping taxes low? Allowing open borders seems like one more way to help businesses and whatever is good for business is good for the country. Right?? Isn’t good to have a cheap workforce’ as we all know the money that businesses save, trickle down to the rest of us. Isn’t that the whole reason for keeping taxes low? Allowing open borders seems like one more way to help businesses and whatever is good for business is good for the country. Right??

]]> By: Al Swearengen http://www.deadissue.com/archives/2007/07/03/the-political-cost-of-republican-nativism/comment-page-1/#comment-21848 Al Swearengen Fri, 06 Jul 2007 05:42:47 +0000 http://deadissue.com/archives/2007/07/03/the-political-cost-of-republican-nativism/#comment-21848 Right...the 50 or so others just hang around when it's not their turn. The gang-bang-e on the other hand... Right…the 50 or so others just hang around when it’s not their turn. The gang-bang-e on the other hand…

]]> By: napoleon15 http://www.deadissue.com/archives/2007/07/03/the-political-cost-of-republican-nativism/comment-page-1/#comment-21847 napoleon15 Fri, 06 Jul 2007 04:25:01 +0000 http://deadissue.com/archives/2007/07/03/the-political-cost-of-republican-nativism/#comment-21847 If you call gang banging work. If you call gang banging work.

]]> By: Karl http://www.deadissue.com/archives/2007/07/03/the-political-cost-of-republican-nativism/comment-page-1/#comment-21846 Karl Fri, 06 Jul 2007 03:38:07 +0000 http://deadissue.com/archives/2007/07/03/the-political-cost-of-republican-nativism/#comment-21846 Work construction all day and then gang bang all night, almost have to admire the work ethic :) Work construction all day and then gang bang all night, almost have to admire the work ethic :)

]]> By: napoleon15 http://www.deadissue.com/archives/2007/07/03/the-political-cost-of-republican-nativism/comment-page-1/#comment-21845 napoleon15 Fri, 06 Jul 2007 01:21:26 +0000 http://deadissue.com/archives/2007/07/03/the-political-cost-of-republican-nativism/#comment-21845 By the way, a lot of domestic violence over here is committed by illegal aliens. Many of them beat their wives, and others are sex offenders. That's not to say that all of them are like that, but too many are. We don't want or need them. By the way, a lot of domestic violence over here is committed by illegal aliens. Many of them beat their wives, and others are sex offenders. That’s not to say that all of them are like that, but too many are. We don’t want or need them.

]]> By: napoleon15 http://www.deadissue.com/archives/2007/07/03/the-political-cost-of-republican-nativism/comment-page-1/#comment-21844 napoleon15 Fri, 06 Jul 2007 01:18:26 +0000 http://deadissue.com/archives/2007/07/03/the-political-cost-of-republican-nativism/#comment-21844 Many of the illegal aliens "who come up here to do jobs Americans won't do" (including construction jobs, which Americans WILL do) are gangsters who work by day. By night, they work their real "jobs," peddling drugs and beating up indebted addicts and rival gang members. Too many business owners like to hire illegal aliens for construction jobs and other jobs traditionally done by Americans because they don't have to pay them as much as Americans. They're more interested in making an extra buck than in doing what's best for America. I don't object to people being exposed to other languages, but I do object when illegal aliens demand that we learn their language and culture instead of the other way around. If they want to come to this country, they can come and be Americans, but they cannot remain Mexican. I also object when they disrespect both our laws and culture. I also object when they come to America and go on welfare. A few of them come to this country and enlist in the military, though, and I don't have a problem with that. We need to seal the both our borders to block out not only illegal aliens, but terrorists as well. We cannot win the war on terror while the borders stand wide open for anyone to come in who wants to. After sealing the borders, we can talk about what to do with the illegals that are already here. Many of the illegal aliens “who come up here to do jobs Americans won’t do” (including construction jobs, which Americans WILL do) are gangsters who work by day. By night, they work their real “jobs,” peddling drugs and beating up indebted addicts and rival gang members.

Too many business owners like to hire illegal aliens for construction jobs and other jobs traditionally done by Americans because they don’t have to pay them as much as Americans. They’re more interested in making an extra buck than in doing what’s best for America.

I don’t object to people being exposed to other languages, but I do object when illegal aliens demand that we learn their language and culture instead of the other way around. If they want to come to this country, they can come and be Americans, but they cannot remain Mexican. I also object when they disrespect both our laws and culture. I also object when they come to America and go on welfare. A few of them come to this country and enlist in the military, though, and I don’t have a problem with that.

We need to seal the both our borders to block out not only illegal aliens, but terrorists as well. We cannot win the war on terror while the borders stand wide open for anyone to come in who wants to. After sealing the borders, we can talk about what to do with the illegals that are already here.

]]> By: Karl http://www.deadissue.com/archives/2007/07/03/the-political-cost-of-republican-nativism/comment-page-1/#comment-21841 Karl Thu, 05 Jul 2007 13:59:06 +0000 http://deadissue.com/archives/2007/07/03/the-political-cost-of-republican-nativism/#comment-21841 Hey Napoleon: Western Colorado? That is a great area, last winter I spent a couple of days snowboarding at Silverton mountain and then a couple of days in Durango, definitely an underrated area. As far as crimes committed by illegals and who makes up gangs it is hard to find any reliable statistics, one thing that is interesting is that the majority of murders seem to be committed by spouses, and I think the same goes for assaults. As for drug trafficing it is likeley that the porous border allows a lot of drugs to cross in the same way that it allows a lot of illegal workers to cross. I wonder if a better solution to the problem is to make it easy for forigners to get work visas, so the people that would really stick out are the ones who are not working and don't have visas. I guess I am arguing that it makes more sense to legalize it and regulate it, than pretend it can be completely stopped. It seems like people object to immigrants, especially those from Mexico for many reasons, I can't get that excited about the language issues as i don't think it hurts anyone to be exposed to other languages; and by the second generation most immigrants learn english just like Italions or the polish immigrants of 75 years ago. The job issue is interesting as for the most part the immigrants are accepting jobs that 30 years ago would have gone to union workers, like meat packing, manufacturing or construction. Just some misc thoughts on the subject for some reason I can't seem to get to worked up about it either way. Take Care Hey Napoleon:

Western Colorado? That is a great area, last winter I spent a couple of days snowboarding at Silverton mountain and then a couple of days in Durango, definitely an underrated area.

As far as crimes committed by illegals and who makes up gangs it is hard to find any reliable statistics, one thing that is interesting is that the majority of murders seem to be committed by spouses, and I think the same goes for assaults. As for drug trafficing it is likeley that the porous border allows a lot of drugs to cross in the same way that it allows a lot of illegal workers to cross. I wonder if a better solution to the problem is to make it easy for forigners to get work visas, so the people that would really stick out are the ones who are not working and don’t have visas. I guess I am arguing that it makes more sense to legalize it and regulate it, than pretend it can be completely stopped.

It seems like people object to immigrants, especially those from Mexico for many reasons, I can’t get that excited about the language issues as i don’t think it hurts anyone to be exposed to other languages; and by the second generation most immigrants learn english just like Italions or the polish immigrants of 75 years ago.

The job issue is interesting as for the most part the immigrants are accepting jobs that 30 years ago would have gone to union workers, like meat packing, manufacturing or construction.

Just some misc thoughts on the subject for some reason I can’t seem to get to worked up about it either way.

Take Care

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